A French Rafale carrying a 300 kilotonnes nuclear warhead

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For the love of f#cking god.

Actual RCAF member here.

Stop spewing your none sense.

We’re not buying the F-35 at 200mil a piece. They’re not even 200mil a piece now. The F-35 is currently in LRIP, which rolls development cost and cost to setup production into the price. Canada has no intention to buy at current cost. Intention is to buy if the price falls to around 70mil per unit with engine.

No, we do not just fly around and patrol the arctic, that’s a fraction of what we do. Much of the RCAF flying time goes towards training both domestically and overseas. We patrol large areas of our coastlines. We support foreign operations when called to do so.

You have no idea how range works if you suggest that the Hornets outrange the F-35A significantly. You are also mixing ferry range vis-à-vis combat radius.

You have no idea how industrial offset works if you think the French can even begin to rival what the US can offer in turns of industrial offsets. 40bil? Not with the limited numbers of export opportunity and small user base. Anyone actually following Rafale export would realize that the only one standing to make money off the jets are the French, and even their prospect is not particularly good. Tech transfer? We’re not the Indians and we have no intention or means to get into the fighter market.

Finally, dear god, the RCAF does train and perform tip of the spear operations. That we sometimes cannot be the first ones in doesn’t mean we’re always making milk runs and therefore we don’t need to fly cutting edge. We’ve had a history of acquiring cutting edge aircraft, but nothing stays cutting edge forever. That we have fallen behind has to do with the delay in replacing the Hornet. “RCAF can’t fight modern enemy with its old jets therefore it doesn’t need to fight modern enemy anymore and doesn’t need the best jets”? That’s nuts. The truth that most Canadians don’t realize is that the RCAF’s always been an expeditionary force. We are sent overseas to apply hurt to people and their properties. That is the vast majority of our history and our likely future. Buying aircraft based on the idea that the RCAF stays home and watches the yard is completely counter-historical.

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